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Friday, February 10, 2006

Savage Love
The Onion has a great interview with Dan Savage this week. I can recommend everyone to check it out. He has a novel take on arguing with religious fanatics. My usual tactic, no surprise, is just to give up and be insultingly dismissive of their viewpoints as medeival (as they deserve). Dan Savage has a different give up strategy, he concedes their points entirely, and then just doesn't care.

AVC: You use your column to advocate freedom, but that often seems to scare people. Historically, it seems like there's a real terror that other people might somehow get the freedom to do the things we ourselves don't want to do. Why do you think that is?

DS: Because Canada got the French and Australia got the convicts and we got the fuckin' batshit crazy Christians. And that matters. We're all lied to in high school—"The Pilgrims came here seeking religious freedom." No they didn't. They were the Puritans kicked out of England. They went to Holland, Holland was like "Fuck you people," and they kicked them out too, so they came here. They came here seeking the ability to persecute everybody else—and each other—for their religious beliefs. And we are living with the descendants of those nutjobs, and we have to fight them.

We also have to concede some things to them. There's a big mistake the left has made with talking to religious people, which is attempting to talk them out of their interpretations of the Bible, attempting to have theological debate with them. When I'm on right-wing whackjob radio, when people call up to inform me that I'm going to hell, I concede the point. [Laughs.] "I'm going to hell. Yes. Can you leave me alone now? Isn't that enough? Isn't punishment for all eternity enough? Do you have to screw with me here on Earth, too? Can't you just sit back content that I will roast on a spit in hell right next to Ronald Reagan, adulterer?" And often if you concede their theology and let them have their crackpot religious beliefs, you can make a little progress. The left has made a mistake trying to argue with religious people about their religious beliefs. They have a legitimate beef when it comes to thought police from the left getting up in their business and telling them how they should interpret Leviticus. Well, who gives a fuck how you interpret your fuckin' Grimm fairy tale?


You gotta love Dan Savage and don't forget to read his weekly column, Savage Love.

** update -- Everyone should check out Dan's Op-Ed in the NYT where he asks these two critical questions of Christian Evangelical bigots:

If they don't think Chad Allen can play straight convincingly for 108 minutes, do they honestly imagine that gay men who aren't actors can play straight for a lifetime? And if anyone reading this believes that gay men can actually become ex-gay men, I have just one question for you: Would you want your daughter to marry one?

1 Comments:

Another Anonymous Poster said...

I was a bigger fan of this line:

"a majority of Americans often have their heads up their asses. And then we're embarrassed 10 years later when we realize we have shit all over our faces."

And does anyone think that Mr. Savage looks like the love child of the two Johns from TMBG?

11:05 AM, February 10, 2006

 

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