It's worth a watch. The transcript is available via Crooks and Liars for the video-averse.
7 Comments:
Neil said...
After reading your blog and noticing how you, obviously, loathe the state of being in this country, I am just curious why you have not "GIVEN UP" and moved to Canada?? Isn't that the credo all liberals are supposed to follow? After seeing the ratings pitfall of Air America, it might be a smart move. But wait, Canada now has a CONSERVATIVE Prime Minister....ouch!!! Well, I'm sure you can find plenty of Socialist governments in Europe.
As a fellow America hater I applaud your efforts at destroying our country since our president is not capable of doing it completely on his own. Huzzah!
You know your blog's finally getting a decent-sized readership when you start to attract the unhinged righty trolls.
What Air America's ratings have to do with Canada I don't know, but it's not like the wingnuts have to make much sense. They just drive by, posting bizarre word-salads stringing together all their various hobgoblins like it's supposed to mean something to sane minds.
"SOCIALISM! CANADA! AIR AMERIKKKA! KKKLINTON! BLUGGGABLOOO"
Seriously, Air America? Is that the best you can do, loonypants? The only "ratings" that count right now are the ones where President Chimpy and his merry band of ultraconservative fuckups are rapidly sinking to rock-bottom levels. America tried Republican leadership, and found that it failed on every single level. Why are you so slow to pick up on that?
As much as I detest Rumsfeld, I find Keith Olberman’s use of Neville Chamberlain dubious and simplistic.
Neville Chamberlain was not quite the great appeaser that he has become portrayed as. True, his policy was weak in 1938 and he did essentially appease Hitler, but that foreign policy was, to a large extent, a recognition of Britain’s weakness in arms at the time and the lack of political support for war. It had been 20 years since the end of WWI, and the memory of the horrors of that war lingered. There was no real stomach for war at the time among the British public, and, indeed, Chamberlain's action at Munich was wildy popular, even though a few dissented and deplored the surrender of a democracy to Hitler's hegemony.
However, when Hitler broke the agreement Chamberlain became a hardliner. Remember also that it was Chamberlain, not Churchill, who was Prime Minister when Hitler invaded Poland. He could have found a way not to declare war on Germany if he had wanted to (and indeed some were urging that), but in fact he took his nation to war over principle and, in fact, was not forced out of office until just after Germany invaded France. It is almost certainly fortunate that this was so, because it is hard to imagine Neville Chamberlain keeping Britain fighting through the Blitz that was to begin that summer.
In any case, Olbermann is stretching a comparison far beyond its useful. Indeed, he's doing exactly what Rumsfeld was doing, distorting history, albeit to a different purpose. It’s an embarrassment compared to his usual work. He could have easily trashed Rumsfeld’s speech without the bad history.
Welcome to the blog Orac, for those that don't know he runs the excellent site Respectful Insolence over at the scienceblogs.
I agree that the similarity that Olberman drew as you see it is incorrect, but that's not what I took from his little speech. Instead I saw this as more of a critique of the absolutism and excess of certainty of the administration.
The Chamberlain bit was a stretch, but the Murrow stuff was freaking golden.
7 Comments:
After reading your blog and noticing how you, obviously, loathe the state of being in this country, I am just curious why you have not "GIVEN UP" and moved to Canada?? Isn't that the credo all liberals are supposed to follow? After seeing the ratings pitfall of Air America, it might be a smart move. But wait, Canada now has a CONSERVATIVE Prime Minister....ouch!!! Well, I'm sure you can find plenty of Socialist governments in Europe.
5:45 PM, August 31, 2006
The way I see it, we've given up and moved out of the retarded red states! Yay California!
7:24 PM, August 31, 2006
As a fellow America hater I applaud your efforts at destroying our country since our president is not capable of doing it completely on his own. Huzzah!
8:38 PM, August 31, 2006
You know your blog's finally getting a decent-sized readership when you start to attract the unhinged righty trolls.
What Air America's ratings have to do with Canada I don't know, but it's not like the wingnuts have to make much sense. They just drive by, posting bizarre word-salads stringing together all their various hobgoblins like it's supposed to mean something to sane minds.
"SOCIALISM! CANADA! AIR AMERIKKKA! KKKLINTON! BLUGGGABLOOO"
Seriously, Air America? Is that the best you can do, loonypants? The only "ratings" that count right now are the ones where President Chimpy and his merry band of ultraconservative fuckups are rapidly sinking to rock-bottom levels. America tried Republican leadership, and found that it failed on every single level. Why are you so slow to pick up on that?
9:01 AM, September 01, 2006
I think the term is a "concern troll."
Basically, out of their abiding concern for you they ask you stop what you're doing.
I'm not worried, they don't have a leg to stand on these days. I applaud the death of conservatism.
8:35 PM, September 01, 2006
As much as I detest Rumsfeld, I find Keith Olberman’s use of Neville Chamberlain dubious and simplistic.
Neville Chamberlain was not quite the great appeaser that he has become portrayed as. True, his policy was weak in 1938 and he did essentially appease Hitler, but that foreign policy was, to a large extent, a recognition of Britain’s weakness in arms at the time and the lack of political support for war. It had been 20 years since the end of WWI, and the memory of the horrors of that war lingered. There was no real stomach for war at the time among the British public, and, indeed, Chamberlain's action at Munich was wildy popular, even though a few dissented and deplored the surrender of a democracy to Hitler's hegemony.
However, when Hitler broke the agreement Chamberlain became a hardliner. Remember also that it was Chamberlain, not Churchill, who was Prime Minister when Hitler invaded Poland. He could have found a way not to declare war on Germany if he had wanted to (and indeed some were urging that), but in fact he took his nation to war over principle and, in fact, was not forced out of office until just after Germany invaded France. It is almost certainly fortunate that this was so, because it is hard to imagine Neville Chamberlain keeping Britain fighting through the Blitz that was to begin that summer.
In any case, Olbermann is stretching a comparison far beyond its useful. Indeed, he's doing exactly what Rumsfeld was doing, distorting history, albeit to a different purpose. It’s an embarrassment compared to his usual work. He could have easily trashed Rumsfeld’s speech without the bad history.
9:40 AM, September 03, 2006
Welcome to the blog Orac, for those that don't know he runs the excellent site Respectful Insolence over at the scienceblogs.
I agree that the similarity that Olberman drew as you see it is incorrect, but that's not what I took from his little speech. Instead I saw this as more of a critique of the absolutism and excess of certainty of the administration.
The Chamberlain bit was a stretch, but the Murrow stuff was freaking golden.
3:02 AM, September 05, 2006
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